Interview: Author Daniel Pipes on his new book, “Conspiracy: How the Paranoid Style Flourishes and Where It Comes From,” and his life
01/25/98
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Dr. PIPES: Well, cer–certainly conspiracies do take place, and there are even conspiracies to take over the world. And here we get to an interesting point. The only real conspiracies–or almost only real conspiracies are counterconspiracies. In other words, if I’m a conspiracy theorist, I believe that this is a good way of operating, an effective way of operating. And therefore, I’m inclined to operate this way myself, and that’s precisely what you find.
Take Hitler. He believed in a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world. What he did to counter that alleged Jewish conspiracy was to create a real conspiracy, the Nazi Party, and he a–apparently took a number of ideas from the alleged Jewish conspiracy and made them part of his Nazi movement, and the Nazi movement was an attempt to take over the world. Take Lenin. He believed in a business conspiracy, a conspiracy of business interests to dominate the world, to extract, steal goods at–at–at cheaper–or for free, for the same reason: Because he believed in conspiracy, he himself organized a conspiracy, the Social Democratic Party in Russia, which, in fact, took over Russian government and was a–an attempt to take over the world.
So over and over again, I find that the–the conspiracy theorist becomes, himself, a conspirator. And that in most cases, the real conspiracy, the one that actually takes place, follows from the actions, the mind of a conspiracy theorist. So there’s a–a circle. And so my policy conclusion from this is when you hear a conspiracy theory being alleged, watch out for the conspiracy.